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Jay Sekulow: Today on Seculo, we have breaking news as an ACLJ investigation uncovers voter fraud.
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Will Haynes: Welcome to Seculo. Will Haynes here. Jordan Seculo will be joining me shortly, but we have something that we have been teasing that we are going to break. We wanted to make sure we got to this point where we were comfortable going forward with this and today we are. This is an investigation into the town of Cheverly, Maryland, which allows for non-citizens to vote in local elections. This is a phenomenon that is happening across the board in the United States. You're starting to see more and more localities allow things like this. In what we were doing is trying to get the voter roll that showed the people that were registered to vote locally, but not for state or federal elections. And this comes as a we represented the American Accountability Foundation that requested this list back in October of 2025. So a year ago. And they requested this so they could look at it and see if the town was doing what they indeed said they were doing of keeping the list separate. And through the course of this investigation what the ACLJ found was after obtaining the list from the city of Cheverly, we found that a quarter of the people on the list that are non-citizens, but allowed to vote in the town's elections, had also voted in federal or state elections. What is that? That's called voter fraud. That is voters that are not allowed to vote in an election voting. And we're going to break it all down for you how we got to this, what this means, and what the ACLJ is doing because as of right now our attorneys are sending a referral to the Department of Justice about what we've uncovered in this investigation. And when people say that this is very small, this doesn't happen at scale, when a list of people that are allowed to vote in one election and not in another are voting in the one they're not allowed to to the tune of 25% that's not nothing, folks. That's not a fraction of a percent. That is a quarter of your list that you said when you changed your charter in the city of Cheverly would be kept separate. It would be a supplementary voter registry is what it was called. So here's now what we need to find out and what the Department of Justice will be referred to as well is that was it incompetence? Was it not having the right tools to keep these separate? Was it malicious? All of these things have to be looked at because what we know is that while this is a small town, they may say, it it doesn't make up the vast majority of an electorate. When you start to look at how many different towns in Maryland already are doing this, having these non-citizen voter rolls that they're allowing to vote, it's over 16 localities. And the District of Columbia back in 2023 approved a similar thing allowing people that are non-citizens to vote in the District of Columbia only in local elections. Don't worry, they've got the safeguards, right? Or what about large areas like Oakland, California and San Francisco? Clearly, they are going to have the safeguards in place to stop those that are registered to vote legally in their local elections from voting in any other because the registrar will know the difference, right? Well, wait a second. Wasn't it just this week that Los Angeles, which doesn't have this yet, but what's stopping them? Doesn't have this yet. They told a court in a in a dispute with the Department of Justice that the registrar in LA doesn't have the ability to check the citizenship status of those that are registering to vote. Instead, they just take their word for it. They tell you this isn't a problem, but then when you dig and you you investigate, what do you find? It's actually a problem. And that's what the ACLJ is doing. This is our protect the vote week because we are right up on this midterm election. So you can support the work of the ACLJ in things like this where we are protecting your sacred right to vote. Go to aclj.org/vote today and have your gift double.
Jordan Sekulo: There are powers at play trying to manipulate our elections to guarantee they get the numbers they need to win no matter what this week. As we head towards this critical midterm election on Tuesday, we urge you to protect the vote. If we stand by and do nothing, it's a guarantee we all lose. The ACLJ is fighting to defend election integrity and secure your right to vote in free and fair elections. Legal wins like that wouldn't be possible without you. Defending election integrity across the country requires immense resources. Go to aclj.org/vote right now and have your tax deductible gift doubled. To beat back these attempts to weaponize our elections. The decision is yours. Choose your leaders or have them forced upon you. Go to aclj.org/vote to have your gift doubled to protect the vote today.
Will Haynes: We've witnessed monumental legal victories from defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over. The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unboard babies remain in jeopardy and across the globe innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded. None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at aclj.org/freedom. Welcome back to Seculo. Will Haynes here. Jordan Seculo will be joining me momentarily about this very issue, but folks, let me walk you through how we got to where we are right now with this bombshell discovery that is is coming out of Maryland, a suburb of Washington D.C., our nation's capital. And you can share this, you can like this broadcast. We want as many people to see this as possible because we are just a few days away. We're under a week from the midterm elections. Very consequential election. And at the time when their state officials and and a major party telling people to not be concerned about clean voter rolls, about making sure that only the people that are supposed to be voting are voting, why are they trying to hide it so much? Shouldn't that be something that every American wants to ensure is on the up and up? But here's what we're looking at here today. So in Maryland, the town of Cheverly, they had passed back in surprise surprise August of 2020 a charter amendment resolution number R-04-20. And what it goes on to say it says amending Article 5 of the town charter to provide for non-citizen voting and establishing a supplementary voter registration. It goes on to say that the mayor and town council deem it appropriate to create a supplemental voter registry for the town and this passed in August of 2020. Now that was at a time where there was a lot of focus on elections, a lot of focus on making sure that the voter rolls were on the up and up. But we started to see this pop up around the country. New York even tried to do something very similar to allow non-citizens to vote in their elections. That actually was stopped by the Supreme Court of of the state of New York. But we're looking at this here and it's popping up all over Maryland. There's 16 different places in Maryland that allow something similar. Vermont has three cities that allow it. Oakland, California and San Francisco, California allow this. The District of Columbia allows this. And so the American Accountability Foundation sent in a state Public Information Act request October of 2025. It's something you are very familiar with if you watch this broadcast that we send federal FOIA requests, you send state-level FOIA requests. We've gotten a lot out of California recently that we've talked about. In their inquiries went they acknowledged they got it, but then for 8 months stonewalled the American Accountability Foundation. So what did they do? They came to the ACLJ. They said we know that you guys are our experts at FOIA law, that you are able to you know how to file the lawsuits appropriately. So they came to us and what do we do? We filed the lawsuit. And Jordan just last week
Jordan Sekulo: Yeah.
Will Haynes: a year after this state FOIA request was released we received the voter roll. What is called the supplementary voter registry. It has 98 names on it.
Jordan Sekulo: Yes. Right. Right.
Will Haynes: And we found that a quarter of them according to the investigation done by the ACLJ it appears that a quarter of these individuals that are legally registered to vote in town elections
Jordan Sekulo: Yep. Right.
Will Haynes: have voted illegally in federal or state elections.
Jordan Sekulo: Right, because they're not U.S. citizens. So these are not U.S. citizens. As as we'll walk through, there are a number of of jurisdictions across the country that have allowed different ways for non-citizen residents. They are they are legally here. These are not people here are legal immigrants. They are legally here in the United States, but they're not citizens. So they usually they would not have the right to vote in any elections, local or federal, state or federal. And these localities have allowed them to vote in various sometimes just like one or two local elections, sometimes it's just the school board, sometimes it's broader than that. But but what we have is the list. And then through this list we ran through voter files and things like that, we realized that 25% of the people on this list who again should not be voting in any elections except for here I think it was the school board elections and and local elections 25% of these names voted in federal elections. So they illegally cast a ballot in an election where it was illegal for them to vote, but also illegal for the town. And you know I I think that you have to say this right up front. I have no idea if it's the people themselves who were told, hey, you can get registered to vote now. And if it was made clear to them because obviously these are not very heavily segmented lists and we got them it's like here's the list. It wasn't like a lot of information about what this list is or or what this person did or who that person is. And so we ran it through our own voter files to figure that out. Is is it the town at fault? Well, certainly the town is at fault for allowing these people to vote in federal elections, in elections or state elections that they should not have been voting in. That would be illegal.
Will Haynes: At at some point someone that works for the state handed these individuals a ballot for that federal or state election. So even right there it is at least incompetence by the elections.
Jordan Sekulo: Right. Right. Right. I mean at most you had a lot of confusion by the people who got registered this way. And 25% 25% of them thought, hey, I can vote in anything. So they just showed up to vote when it was time to vote and they did. And no one stopped them and their votes were counted. I mean from all all all records that we have now is these votes went through. There were no problem. And I I don't want people to look at this and say, okay, that's 25% out of 98 because as you just said, well, you went through the cities and towns that have these kind of some of the major cities in the United States, especially in blue states where this is hundreds and hundreds of people that would be eligible to vote this way. And so when you look at a San Francisco, I think this is a great micro example, very easy one to dive into early and say, you know what? If it's this bad handling just 98 people and a quarter of them, 25% of them violate the law either the the state lets them, the city lets them violate the law, so they unknowingly did it because no one ever explained to them what their voter registration really was or what they were actually registering to be able to do and not do or or they actively knew. And and I I I think it's probably more the latter. I think it's probably more that the the state didn't explain this very well to people and so they went in voted thinking, I'm a registered voter, I can vote.
Will Haynes: Well, and here here's the here's when you take that that 25% because that that's going to be the naysayer. It's like it's 26 people. What what's the big deal, right? Well, here here's what you start to look at. One, we do know that this is a trend. We know New York tried it and got stopped by the court. Doesn't mean they're not going to try it again. Maryland has 16 places in the state. So already if you take a 25% that that could sway elections of a a voter roll in 16 cities, that can make a difference. You have Vermont has three cities that has have it. The District of Columbia has it and Oakland and San Francisco have it. So let's go to California because we've been talking about that a lot. And they're right now fighting the DOJ that's saying, you have people on your rolls that aren't supposed to be. So this is a a real world scenario. Now let's say
Jordan Sekulo: And no one stopped them. Right. Right.
Will Haynes: that they adopt the San Francisco Oakland model. So some of those people are allowed to be on a roll, but not all the roll. And the Department of Justice and just want to clean up the voter rolls. Here is what the Monica Flores, who is the assistant registrar for Los Angeles, told a court this week when asked about this, when they're fighting discussing cleaning up the voter rolls, she said this is a from her support of the defendant. It's a declaration by the assistant registrar. The registrar is not equipped or authorized to verify voter citizenship because it does not independently house citizenship related information beyond the voter attestation as identified in federal and state law and is certainly not equipped to do so within the election period. So now we're starting to look at, okay, we know that this concept is is going to California and larger places. We know it's it rampant through Maryland. Individuals who may not think they're doing anything wrong because what did they do? They were told you can register to vote and they went and did that. And then they're voting. And the registrar themselves if they're now if if if LA can't do it, then how does a small town in Maryland, a suburb of D.C., how can you expect them to do it? This could become a voter crisis if this trend continues.
Jordan Sekulo: Well, I think that we might be on the cusp of voter crisis if we start uncovering this more and more. And I think that that's important work of the ACLJ is that if we have more resources, we can uncover more of this because we know there's more than just this city doing it. I mean Will's gone through and there's some bigger cities we want to take on and you get bigger names, bigger numbers, more people to run through the system to see just how many of these folks who again it sounds like they sign up to vote and the voter registrar say they they don't have the ability to know who is a citizen, who is it. So are they supposed to be self-policing themselves when they're not even sure if they should be voting in something and and by the way I guarantee you these people who ended up signed up the city reached out to. There's no way they went and did this on their own as non-citizens. The city came out to them and said, you know, you can vote in these elections. So make sure you're voting in these elections, but we can't even check if you're voting the right way. So how bad is this problem? We don't know, but if it's at a small scale like this like in Maryland and you got 25% of the people registered this way voting in elections illegally voting in elections that their votes should not be counted because they're not citizens of the United States of America, then how bad is it in a place like San Francisco? And why are they willing to fight so hard to keep these voters coming in? It can't just be for their local races.
Will Haynes: That's right. And folks, we will come back with more on this including what we are sending to the Department of Justice on this as well as the relevant committees in the House and the Senate because when the ACLJ takes action, we take action. And you support that action by giving to the ACLJ at aclj.org/vote. Your donations are doubled. Protect the vote today. We've witnessed monumental legal victories from defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over. The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unboard babies remain in jeopardy and across the globe innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded. None of the victories we 've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at aclj.org/freedom. There are powers at play trying to manipulate our elections to guarantee they get the numbers they need to win no matter what this week. As we head towards this critical midterm election on Tuesday, we urge you to protect the vote. If we stand by and do nothing, it's a guarantee we all lose. The ACLJ is fighting to defend election integrity and secure your right to vote in free and fair elections. Legal wins like that wouldn't be possible without you. Defending election integrity across the country requires immense resources. Go to aclj.org/vote right now and have your tax deductible gift doubled to beat back these attempts to weaponize our elections. The decision is yours. Choose your leaders or have them forced upon you. Go to aclj.org/vote to have your gift doubled to protect the vote today. Welcome back to Seculo. Will Haynes here joined in studio by Jordan Seculo. We're going to be taking your phone calls on this. If you have questions, if things we've said, you know, lead to questions you may have of what can I do to stop things like this? How can I support the ACLJ? Or any sort of question related to this 1-800-684-3110. And Warren will get to you in just a second. But we are going to go down and also show that we're not just uncovering this and talking about it. Today we're sending a letter to the Department of Justice. It's it's addressed to Harmeet Dhillon, who's the assistant attorney general of the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice. But it's also going to the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland. It's going to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary with Chuck Grassley. It's going to the Committee on the House on Judiciary with Congressman Jim Jordan. It's going to the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration as well as the House Committee on House Administration. So we're getting it to Congress who conducts oversight of these things. We're getting it to the Department of Justice who can really investigate beyond what we at the ACLJ can do. But we also have a lot more action coming up that we'll tell you about later in this week because this is our time to protect the vote. And we have been doing this consistently at the ACLJ where we have had to fight against the agenda of those that want to dilute your vote or they want to say who you can and can't vote for. The right to vote in America is sacred. And that's why even if you take we we talk about this 25% we talk about that 26 of these individuals have voted just in this town because that's where the investigation was focused initially. We're broadening that out by the way. But those are 26 citizens of the United States that are Marylanders that have their vote taken away from them, canceled out by someone who voted in a federal or state election that was not legally allowed to do so. No matter what the motivation or the confusion behind it. That's why you have to protect the vote at the state level, at the federal level and have mechanisms, Jordan, that stop this kind of thing from happening because these are American citizens whose votes, their right to vote, they were disenfranchised by this.
Jordan Sekulo: Every every time one of these individuals voting in election that they were not allowed to vote in your their your vote as a U.S. citizen was being disenfranchised. Your vote was discounted because their vote was being counted. So regardless of if they voted the way you did or didn't, you're not going to know that. What you're going to know is that this is someone who does not have the right to vote in these elections because they're not a U.S. citizen. And you know we talk so much about how U.S. citizens alone don't take advantage enough of their right to vote in elections and to choose their leaders. But I mean here's here's another problem we've got is that when you've got localities who say, you know what? We're going to we're going to put a group together. We know that they can't vote in state or federal elections a lot of times, but they can vote in a local election. And we're just going to put a sheet a list together. And this list is anyone going to really be tracking it? Do we even have the ability to do that? No. But we're going to have this list of names and and then you know we'll give it out in a FOIA and you can run it through it. Oh, 25% of them voted in a election they shouldn't have and and they'll try to say that's no big deal. That's a huge deal. It's not one person out of the out of the 98. It's 25% of the people thought they were registered voters who were normal voters in the United States of America because of either a problematic scheme put together by the cities or bad information given to them when they were registered to vote in these what were supposed to be very narrow narrow lanes like you can vote in this school board election, but you can vote in in these other elections. And yet there was no safeguards in place to prevent any of them from both voting and having their vote counted in elections up to election for president of the United States.
Will Haynes: That's right. And once again, you know, the the
Jordan Sekulo: They said that. They said we have no way to check.
Will Haynes: When you and you can go read our article as well at at aclj.org on this because it goes into a lot of the details, but we know that this was amended in 2020 and that there were citizens according to our investigation that voted in the 2020 election that they were not supposed to. So when people tell you, don't worry about it, this isn't real, this is one in four of the people on this list were voted in a way they were not supposed to. And I just want to put this up. This is the Gavin Newsom. He put this on X just this week when they were talking about the these arrests that happened in in California of people that had voted illegally. This says any credible allegation of voter fraud should be taken seriously and investigated. We agree. Full stop. That's what we're doing in some manner here. That being said, the action by Trump's DOJ charging just 28 individuals suggests they have no evidence to back up their claims just last week of tens or hundreds of thousands of illegally registered voters. Yes, non-citizen voter registration and voting does happen in isolated instances in California and the rest of the country alike, but it's so rare that the Trump administration is parading around town about 0.0001% of all California voters. I want to go back to what we're talking about here in Cheverly, Maryland because it's not 0.0001% of all voters of the supplemental voter list. It's 25%. It's a quarter of the voters. And 16 other towns allow this exact same type of thing in Maryland. And when you start to add that up, that starts to sway races. It also starts to take away people's right to vote. And that's when I go back to what what Gavin Newsom said here, Jordan, is the fact that he's also saying it was just 28 people arrested.
Jordan Sekulo: Yeah. Right.
Will Haynes: Shouldn't you also say we are thankful that the DOJ found people that were breaking the law, but it goes to prove our point that it's not that widespread, instead he's belittling
Jordan Sekulo: Any any kind of law enforcement.
Will Haynes: And those are 28 Californians who had their right to vote disenfranchised, his constituents.
Jordan Sekulo: Right. Right. His constituents whose vote was canceled by someone who is not a citizen, by someone who should not have been voting. And maybe that person voted the same way, maybe it wasn't canceled, maybe it was. We don't know, but what we've learned is that these these cities have really no idea of of where these people are going after they sign up in these programs and where they're when they're voting. But Gavin Newsom says he knows that they're voting in places they shouldn't. He's just trying to downplay the significance. But when you look at a state the size of California and you go to these smaller percents, those are still pretty big numbers.
Will Haynes: Well, and also, okay, we're going to talk about Oakland and San Francisco. The administration of those cities is so great right now. They they're super clean. That's they're the you know the the icons and the crown jewel of California. Everyone wants to go visit San Francisco. No. We know that their municipal government is not operating at a level that it is worthy of of of visiting at this point. Now you want to say that they're spending more time focusing on keeping these voter rolls clean when they can't even keep their streets clean. Let's be honest here. No one believes that.
Jordan Sekulo: No. No one believes it. And and no one believes that they're doing this for the people of California. They we know that most of them think that if they're giving this right out to people, this ability for people to vote, that if they do vote in a way that is not legal, that they're not going to actually enforce it and they're likely voting for candidates and issues that they agree with on the left.
Will Haynes: Well, we also know that the left plays dirty tricks.
Jordan Sekulo: Because who's getting this group out to vote?
Will Haynes: Right. Well, and that's what I mean. The left plays dirty tricks. The New York Times finally admitted Jordan this happened right before you got in
Jordan Sekulo: Yeah, I mean it's not the right.
Will Haynes: Yeah. inside the Democrats' secret effort to stack Alaska's ballot. Now New York Times is calling out the Dan Sullivan shenanigans
Jordan Sekulo: Yeah.
Will Haynes: for what it really is. So they're they're putting up fake candidates in Alaska. You don't think that they're going to organize Remember, these people that are on this list are in America legally. They probably have green cards, work visas. They are here. They're just not eligible to vote in federal and state elections. But for some reason, because of this separate list that's supposed to be kept sequestered away, they're able to vote in federal and state elections.
Jordan Sekulo: And this is what we've seen happen over the last 6 7 8 years.
Will Haynes: Right. There's a reason it's becoming trendy to put these up in localities, but we're not going to stand for it. You can support the work of the ACLJ at aclj.org/vote. Have your donation doubled to protect the vote today. There are powers at play trying to manipulate our elections to guarantee they get the numbers they need to win no matter what this week. As we head towards this critical midterm election on Tuesday, we urge you to protect the vote. If we stand by and do nothing, it's a guarantee we all lose. The decision is yours. Choose your leaders or have them forced upon you. Go to aclj.org/vote to have your gift doubled to protect the vote today.